WWDC 2020: Apple launches Arm-based Mac chips, iOS 14, iPadOS 14, MacOS Big Sur and more

Some interesting stuff from Apple WWDC 2020… iOS 14 :slight_smile: and MacOS Big Sur

Big bells for Intel to watch out…

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ARM in portable (tablets) makes sense.

AMD in servers (bigger laptops, etc) makes sense.

Not sure currently Intel makes any sense for anything?

I am far from certain ARM in servers is such a good idea, their performance isn’t really there. I own a fairly meaty ARM tablet and it’s fine for display, but not processing.

Anker Powercore and Powerport are so good right now, performance, capacity, cost, battery life is not really a concern for anyone. My ARM based larger laptop, 20Ah even at 10W is enough to keep it charged and going 24 hours of use. There isn’t really any need to do any more there. The problems to solve are probably in the display, larger screens take more Watts - so bigger devices are more battery limited - so the answer is… two devices, a smaller one for travel (11") and a bigger one at home (as large as you like). Docking stations as an option to dock to larger wall-powered displays.

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You clearly haven’t used the latest iPad pros. They’ve pretty well convinced me that this will work, and that it will work well.

For media recoding 4K?

ARM is perfectly fine for display, consumption, but I’m far from certain for heavy lifting tasks like media recoding - I mention as I use an Intel cpu for my media recoding server - but use ARM exclusively for every other device.

I’ve known about the Macbook to ARM rumours for some time. I’m not sure the media processing community will jump to it, but yes, most people have wayyyy more processing power than they need and so jump to ARM is going to be fine for 90%+ of people.

Might be okay for the entry level Mac user but for mid range and pro users, not overly convinced…

Will be interesting seeing some hands on testing by YouTubers invested in the Apple ecosystem…

I know several people who use the iPad Pro to edit 4k video for YouTube channels.

In a laptop you can run the same chips at higher clock speeds because you can have cooling (mainly fans).

I am not making a claim (that you’re wrong), I am saying I am highly sceptical. That’s all.

I think they should offer an ARM and an AMD version of MBP and let the user decide based on their needs. I think 90%+ will be fine with ARM.

My OS for server is Linux, I custom build my own ffmpeg from source and tweak the code for my own needs, my server is often only able to real-time media recoding if I’m lucky. I’m looking at my next server chipset. It is going to be AMD. But the device the media consumed on… ARM absolutely.

So I’m 90% agreeing with Apple.

That’s not computationally intensive, that is memory intensive and requires fast storage. Recoding, not editing, is computationally intensive. Example: recode 1TB of mp4 to h265.

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Apple won’t go AMD for one simple reason.

Intel is the “premium” brand over AMD, and since Apple likes to be “premium” in their branding- they will stick with Intel.

Even though AMD is a far better option.

Dave Lee said - MacBook ARM, MacBook Pro Intel

That’s probably the outcome til end 2021.

Personally I see any device which moves has to be cheap and battery efficient. Cheap as it’s moving puts it at risk of damage, and battery for freedom unplugged. But any device which doesn’t move can be powerful and do things, like make media efficient to be copied to the portable device so it’s good image and battery efficient. These complement each other.

Apple makes servers, current iteration is Mac Pro.

Apple is releasing all Mac models with ARM within two years, including Pro and iMac models. However, Intel configurations will continue to be offered for several years to come.

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iOS14 so far looks cool :+1:… Finally Widgets on home screen :grin: (Android users may be laughing)

Next feature yet on IOS 14… SHORTCUTS Automation can run without user intervention / approval.

If IOS was just a skin on Android you could get, possible ad-free pay for in the Google Play Store, then that’s cool, but to wait years and pay $$$$, make me think I should be selling magic beans at an Apple store.

While Android has had these features, most Android users trim down their apps, homescreen, widgets to their most common tasks as there’s only much dexterity and movement in your fingers.

Not supporting Apple ( i too hate the pricing policy they have $$$$ ) but iOS 14 supports upto iPhone 6S which was released back in September 2015… almost 5 years ago… how many of Android phones released in 2015 have full support for Latest Android OS. Cannot talk about security, since iOS has had its fair share of vulnerabilities.

May be this is a price to pay for… I am happy to spend for a brand, if I can use that phone for 5 more years with software updates and OS upgrade. I am sure there are few of Android phones which may support, or users doing it themselves.

I am too much invested in Apple for iPhone / iPads / Watch… with only a couple of Android devices I am testing :smiley:

In the Android world if your phone is still working after years of use then common to move to an AOSP version which keeps security updates 5+ years.

Does require an unlockable bootloader, which all my phones have.

I’m more curious on if LTE chipsets in these ARM based laptops. I’ve had that for > year and barely use it. The extra $ for the chipset is small but the monthly cost for an LTE plan isn’t. I activate my laptop LTE for a month if I’m travelling more intensively which obviously has not been the case for months.

It also requires a level of knowledge that your average consumer doesn’t have.

iPhones are better for most users…

(Change my mind)


If iPhone is better, why is iPhone copying Android? Surely it would be the other way around.

I never read any manuals. I just follow step by step guides. If you can’t follow step by guides then how can do anything at all in any topic? How do you work or drive or function?

The biggest error currently with Android are vendor skins, they bloat Android with unnecessary apps to attempt to differentiate and so slow down the phone and confused the owner, a simple basic Android needs a few minutes of explanation, it’s only more due to Samsung (mostly) adding what people like me then have to delete and disable.

Did you watch the video you linked above?

Android walks, so Apple can run.

Just because they don’t have features first, doesn’t mean they don’t implement them better then android.

Also your average consumer doesn’t care about most features.

They need a

  • good screen (check from Apple)
  • a good camera (check from Apple)
  • good performance (double check from Apple)
  • good battery life (check)
  • easy to use (check from Apple)
  • something secure (Apple generally has longer security updates)

Essentially most people just need a phone that works, and that works well. That is iPhone, and everything that goes with it. Android is better for you, and for many people that will be on this forum, but for most people, I recommend iPhones.

Also from Corporate Device Management perspective… iOS / IPAD OS, iPhones / iPads are easier to manage / troubleshoot than Android OS / devices… Just because uniformity, OS support and ROI… Devices may be used / refreshed for 3-4 years with latest OS. This was the response I got from Device Management team supporting mobile devices :grin:

Androids are BYOD support nightmare… Too many variations!!

It’s the other way around. :wink:

Sure, but there becomes a point when the tradeoff isn’t worth it. Take a look at iOS 14. Apple added some features that Android has had for several years, and I wouldn’t even say they’re all implemented better. In fact, I think a majority of the major features this year were “borrowed.”

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